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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 10:59 AM |
| I agree to an extent - its got its disadvantages - when the ban came here it was nice going into fresh pubs etc, but walking outside the bingo in the middle of the evening through a cloud of smoke, riddled with old ladies puffing away wasn't pleasant. But better than being forced to endure it for the duration of a pub crawl etc |
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Helen *the original* Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 11:19 AM |
| I went to my local last night for the first time since the ban and it was fantastic to get in the car and not stink of smoke. True when i walked outside i got a mouthful of smoke cos two lads were smoking in front of the door, but i'd put up with that! |
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dee Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 11:22 AM |
Sunny wrote: harry potter wrote:
it's better to have these idiots outside the pub than inside the pub. think about the health of the poor people that have to work in these establishments (not to mention your own clothing and hair NOT smelling like you rolled around in an ashtray for an hour).
Yeah, very important point there hazman.
There was some talk of pumping different smells into pubs, like vanilla and strawberry etc ... why can't pubs just smell of beer?!
the worst thing you are gonna find with the smoking ban is that you realise all the other horrible smells that smoke used to cover up- i'm not kidding.
pubs are gonna seem far sweatier,stinking of sickly-sweet alcopop crap, cheap aftershave and if somebody breaks wind you will see whole areas of the pub running for cover.
i don't smoke but as it happens i tend to spend most of my time out in beer gardens now if i'm out. |
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Esteban Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 2:19 PM |
Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen. |
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Lemon Grinner Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 2:26 PM |
Esteban wrote: Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen.
I'm glad you ain't put all non-smokers into the same bucket, like some people do! |
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weirdmom Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 2:28 PM |
| I don't mind the smoking outside because I just have to walk by/through it for a second as opposed to being trapped in a vat of smoke all night. I go out way more than I used to and it's partly because there is a smoking ban here in Austin. But on a recent trip to Chicago (no ban) I almost died when we were in this bar because I am so not used to it anymore. |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 2:47 PM |
Esteban wrote: Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen.
No its not gonna happen, but the point is non-smokers shouldn't have to put up with having poisonous fumes spouted from another humans lungs directly in their faces at a mass of what could be 10s, to hundreds of people at a time depending on where they are. Its a ridiculous thing to be 'perfectly alright'. If thats alright, why can't I just say I love Hydrochloric acid, and wander around with it, and start spitting it out at people through a tube? |
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Sunny Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 2:54 PM |
Esteban wrote: Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen.
I guess I'm one of the minority who'd rather have people smoking in places (so i can avoid them) than have them smoking outside in the, what used to be, fresh air.
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champagnesupernova Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 3:07 PM |
I hate being have to smelling the smoke while walking out but still it is much better than sticking in the smoke in a pub or cafe. Wish authorities had balls to bring a ban in Turkey too.
Anyway, hey Sunny! :-) |
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happy_me Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 3:08 PM |
We've had a smoking ban over here for years now and it has it's disadvantages, as well as advantages.
In the beginning all the smokers started complaining about having to go outside for a smoke, even if it was blowing a storm outside. Clubs and bars complained that they would loose all their clients and income. Non-smokers on the other hand complained that they no longer could go outside without being passive smokers.
It's all settled now, and instead of smelling like smoke all the clubs and bars smell like sweat and fart and the smokers are outside freezing their butts off. On the other hand, people who wouldn't normally go out have now started going out because of the "healthier" air inside these places. Also, since I work as a volenteer at a pub, I must say it's nice to be able to go to work without being suffocated by smoke. |
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Esteban Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 4:16 PM |
No doubt who the biggest winners are in all of this, the pub/club/bingo hall workers. And rightly so, they are the people who should benefit the most, as the element of choice is removed to an extent for them. Anyone who says that they choose that career is, of course, technically correct, however it's not quite the same choice as choosing to go down the pub for a swift half on an afternoon.
People are now starting to realise the pitfalls of sending the smokers outside, it makes outside unattractive.
Dave, I see your point in a way, but you spoil it with talk of running around with acid spitting it at people, which is 1/ unrealistic, and 2/ malicious, and I'm sure folk that smoke don't do it with the express intention of harming other people.
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elfy Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 4:39 PM |
Esteban wrote: Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen.
I do think it's a bit much to complain about smokers making it unpleasant outside the boozer. However, I don't think smokers can have any complaints about being banned from smoking indoors, and I don't think it's a case of demonizing anyone. It's about people's health. Why should anyone be forced to breathe in someone else's smoke? At least outside, they can move away from smoke. Indoors, there's no escape from it. |
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Esteban Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 5:27 PM |
elfy wrote: Esteban wrote: Seriously, some non-smokers need to wise up. They've demonized smokers and hounded them out of pubs, well done, but now they're crying because they cop a bit of smoke when they're outside?
I really suggest they never go past their front doors again as their utopian idea of how the world should be will really never happen.
I do think it's a bit much to complain about smokers making it unpleasant outside the boozer. However, I don't think smokers can have any complaints about being banned from smoking indoors, and I don't think it's a case of demonizing anyone. It's about people's health. Why should anyone be forced to breathe in someone else's smoke? At least outside, they can move away from smoke. Indoors, there's no escape from it.
I totally agree Elfy, but then I'm not a 3-nights-a-week-down-the-pub bloke, so it's had a barely tangible impact on me.
Outside, it's pretty much tough shit. We all inhale things we don't like outdoors, whether it's manure on fields, or a dirty sewer, or a minging greasetrap at the back of a restaurant, or stinky bus fumes, yet smokers are again at the top of some people's list for harming their outdoors experience.
Sorry, but you have to draw the line of reason somewhere, and I draw it before we come to smokers being overly considerate of people outdoors. It's a big fucking world, don't stand near me and you won't cop my smoke. Easy. |
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goosey_84 Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 6:38 PM |
| ...some cities here are banning smoking in outdoor areas as well (restuarant patios and what not)... |
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Esteban Posted Thu 12 Jul, 2007 6:40 PM |
goosey_84 wrote: ...some cities here are banning smoking in outdoor areas as well (restuarant patios and what not)...
Fuck that shit. In the ass. |
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