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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 11:09 AM |
| the new E.U. treaty; for or against? |
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AbsolutPurple Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 11:17 AM |
Joe wrote: the new E.U. treaty; for or against?
give me 40 days to study it and i'll get back to you. |
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 11:21 AM |
| You have 48hrs before the E.U. heads of States decide for us. |
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Hanne Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 11:28 AM |
I don't know whether to be for or against. I tend to be in favour of the EU in general since it does have greater advantages than drawbacks - plus we haven't had a war between any of the member states since it was established.
However, this time it seems that they're deliberately trying to avoid anything in the treaty that would result in a referendum. The Danish opposition is currently blaming the Government for allowing this treaty without any referendum.
The thing is; if you've made a treaty avoiding all the 'sore' issues, then what is it worth? Oh, and what's with Poland wanting their dead voting?? Only saw the headline but it sounds odd.
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:10 PM |
The points that I don't agree with are:
- creation of a Foreign Secretary post
- any legally binding aspect that infringes on British Law (we already have a Margna Carta, why would we want a second one?)
- common foreign policy (if we can't agree now, then someone is bond to get over-ruled...no prizes for guessing which countries would dictate foreign policy)
- a common money
If those points were changed, I might see myself accepting it.
WHAT REALLY TICKS ME OFF IS:
The idea that the E.U. is democratical. In the strict sense, it is. However, let's take the example of the U.K.:
60.2 million inhabitants > 27,148,975 active voters > one winning party with almost never more than 60% support > party (lets says 600 people) choose P.M. > P.M. (1 person) chooses minister > minister has one voice out of 27 in E.U.
>>>> 1 person speaks for 60.2 million and has 1 voice out of 27 |
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Hanne Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:23 PM |
The EU not much different from the Danish government. We have a minority government consisting of 2 parties and a supporting party, which means that the opposition is bigger than the government. Everything they decide is a compromise, otherwise they can't get the majority in the parliament for anything.
In the EU, all countries constantly want a say in everything and try to bend decisions in their direction. Hence compromises arise. Not that I mind compromises; otherwise we'd end up in extremes. But sometimes it would just be nice if someone could cut through and take a decision. |
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Lemon Grinner Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:25 PM |
Joe wrote: The points that I don't agree with are:
- creation of a Foreign Secretary post
- any legally binding aspect that infringes on British Law (we already have a Margna Carta, why would we want a second one?)
- common foreign policy (if we can't agree now, then someone is bond to get over-ruled...no prizes for guessing which countries would dictate foreign policy)
- a common money
If those points were changed, I might see myself accepting it.
WHAT REALLY TICKS ME OFF IS:
The idea that the E.U. is democratical. In the strict sense, it is. However, let's take the example of the U.K.:
60.2 million inhabitants > 27,148,975 active voters > one winning party with almost never more than 60% support > party (lets says 600 people) choose P.M. > P.M. (1 person) chooses minister > minister has one voice out of 27 in E.U.
>>>> 1 person speaks for 60.2 million and has 1 voice out of 27
60% of the vote is still a lot more than what our government has, which is more like 35%. |
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:25 PM |
| Just so long as it isn't the French. Right? |
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Hanne Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:26 PM |
Joe wrote: The points that I don't agree with are:
- creation of a Foreign Secretary post
- any legally binding aspect that infringes on British Law (we already have a Margna Carta, why would we want a second one?)
- common foreign policy (if we can't agree now, then someone is bond to get over-ruled...no prizes for guessing which countries would dictate foreign policy)
- a common money
If those points were changed, I might see myself accepting it.
WHAT REALLY TICKS ME OFF IS:
The idea that the E.U. is democratical. In the strict sense, it is. However, let's take the example of the U.K.:
60.2 million inhabitants > 27,148,975 active voters > one winning party with almost never more than 60% support > party (lets says 600 people) choose P.M. > P.M. (1 person) chooses minister > minister has one voice out of 27 in E.U.
>>>> 1 person speaks for 60.2 million and has 1 voice out of 27
Oh, and: I don't mind common money (we don't have it) cos I think not having the Euro is just a case of nostalgia. Ok, the Pound Sterling is a quite strong currency in itself, but come on, the Danish Krone? It's bound to the Euro no matter what. If the Euro goes up, the Krone goes up, and if the Euro goes down, the Krone goes down. Conclusion: we might as well have the Euro. |
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Ursina Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:41 PM |
Joe wrote: the new E.U. treaty; for or against?
didn't even know about it ! "wake up Sina ! " lol |
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 1:53 PM |
| You probably heard about it 2 years ago (when it called called the "constitution") and assumed it would be dropped after the French and Dutch (2 of the 6 founding members) rejected it...BUT NO! We have necromancers in the E.U. who are capable of resurrected corpses by changing the name...a bit like Gandalf comig back to life by going from "Gandalf the Grey" to "Grandalf the White" (with new Persil White...whiter than white!) |
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Hanne Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 2:03 PM |
| Now I finally worked out what Poland means by letting the dead people vote. The member countries' votes a weighted according to their populations. Poland argues that if WWII hadn't happened, they'd be 66 million instead of the current 38 million. Honestly, to me it sounds more like some sort of vengeance. |
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 2:11 PM |
Which way's the ballot box? |
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Joe Posted Thu 21 Jun, 2007 2:19 PM |
| Bastard...you need only read the first two sentences. |
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