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sorry angel Posted Mon 01 Oct, 2007 3:08 PM |
I went through a rather strong disagreemet with a friend a few weeks ago as he would insist that Blur or The Verve are Pop bands for the English public and I defended they were Rock bands with some of their songs more rock and others more pop. I think that Pop is Robbie, Madonna, boys or girls band (Bananarama etc...) and that most of the time a band is rock as long as there are a bunch of people with electric and bass guitars, drums and sometimes keyboards. They might make "pop" songs but they remain a rock band to me. I reckon my friend believes so because of the "Britpop" genre with Blur and Oasis which translates badly in French and is misunderstood ie it means Britich Pop but remains a rock genre I seem to have read on websites...
What do you guys think?
And is Travis, Coldplay etc... Pop? I don't think so. i recall Chris Martin using the word "Softrock"...and many of them list their myspace as "indie" as per some previous chats on here. |
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weirdmom Posted Mon 01 Oct, 2007 3:14 PM |
I've heard Fran call Travis soft melodious rock. I would agree. What exactly pop is is hard to define I think. At some point "pop" was short for popular music. So you could argue that anything on a chart is pop music.
But that's too broad. I associate the term pop music with songs that I generally think are crap. :) Probably not fair but true. |
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Turtleneck Posted Mon 01 Oct, 2007 5:26 PM |
You've both got it right, I believe. "Pop" is short for popular and any contemporary popular music could be considered "pop." Lately "pop" has evolved to mean something that used to be called "Bubblegum" music: Sweet, juvenile, unimportant, and just 3 minutes of fun. Rock and roll music refers to music with the instruments you mentioned with a strong beat.
Get our your Venn Diagrams, kids. Rock music can be pop, pop music could be rock, or pop music may not be rock, and rock music may not be pop! Ummm, yeah. Or maybe one is really just a sub-category of the other, though I don't know which one is which.
You can get into murky waters trying to categorize everything. If you really must, you're better off taking each song individually than a group as a whole. If you came down from Mars and heard only the Beatles' songs Helter Skelter and Yesterday, would they be a rock band or easy listening?
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paul_c Posted Mon 01 Oct, 2007 9:59 PM |
But then again, you could say that anything that is deemed 'Indie' music isn't that at all- since that term was coined to describe bands which were once signed onto Independent record labels- which is largely not the case nowadays.
I wrote an article on this recently- interesting that it should crop up |
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feri Posted Tue 02 Oct, 2007 12:41 AM |
I think saying 'oh they're a rock band but play pop music' just complicates something that is really simple.
I think Blur and Travis have elements of pop and rock. So I would call them pop/rock. I mean in this day and age, a typical band has a bit of pop, a bit of rock, a bit of electronica, etc..
It's just that when most people hear the term 'pop' they immediately think you mean Britney Spears or Madonna or some cheesy boyband(which is very mainstream pop). Why can't there be good music that is pop?! New Order were pop and they were good and definitely not typical.
We need to stop labeling music. I mean does it really matter if Blur is pop or rock? No. In the end what matters to me, is that it's good music. You're not cooler by listening to rock...or pop. |
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DAKOTA Posted Tue 02 Oct, 2007 5:39 AM |
| What I'm wondering is why we keep trying to stuff things into neat little boxes, when Nobody can agree on what's what and what anything means anymore. Hehe. Oh, well, I guess that's why we're human. |
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goosey_84 Posted Tue 02 Oct, 2007 5:43 AM |
| not to get off the subject but the title of the thread makes me want to pop n' lock...if i knew how to do that! haha |
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heyjude Posted Tue 02 Oct, 2007 7:06 AM |
Turtleneck wrote:
Get our your Venn Diagrams, kids.
Oh man, "Venn Diagrams"! Takes me back :-)
And so does Goosey_84's "pop 'n lock" :-D
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ricv64 Posted Tue 02 Oct, 2007 12:36 PM |
Indie use to mean a small label or do it Yourself, or a song by Sebadoh , Gimmie Indie Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Tuah5DTzE
, To me they're a rock band , the live show RAWKS ! |
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